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Table 4: Expanded Damage (Levels 31-75)

Conversion Table 3: 3rd to 4th Edition

Hecatonchiere

Throne of Orcus (pt. 2)

Orcus

Throne of Orcus (pt.1)

Epic Adventure Design

Known Old Ones

Galactus

New Special Materials

Demogorgon

Various Monsters

Clay Colossus

Revising Epic Feats

Weapons (Final Fantasy)

New Feats (and Spell System)

Crown Naga

Revising Salient Divine Abilities

Talos

Epic Tarrasque

King Ghidorah

Godzilla

Conversion Table 2: Divine Rank by HD/Levels

Conversion Table 1: Divine Rank by Comparisons

Updated 20th July 2008 to add the Elder Evil information (see below)...

Time to kickstart the 4th Edition revolution...

The following is my initial attempt at a 3rd Edition (or 3.5E) to 4th Edition Conversion system.

Table 3: 3rd Edition to 4th Edition Conversions
3rd Edition
4th Edition
Level/ECL
CR
Minion
Standard
Elite
Solo
21-22
14
29
21
17
12
23-24
15-16
30
22
18
13
25-26
17
31
23
19
14
27-28
18-19
32
24
20
15
29-30
20
33
25
21
16
31-32
21
34
26
22
17
33-34
22-23
35
27
23
18
35-36
24
36
28
24
19
37-38
25
37
29
25
20
39-40
26
38
30
26
21
41-44
27-29
39
31
27
22
45-48
30-32
40
32
28
23
49-52
33-34
41
33
29
24
53-56
35-37
42
34
30
25
57-60
38-40
43
35
31
26
61-64
41-42
44
36
32
27
65-68
43-45
45
37
33
28
69-72
46-48
46
38
34
29
73-76
49-50
47
39
35
30
77-80
51-53
48
40
36
31
81-96
54-64
49
41
37
32
97-112
65-74
50
42
38
33
113-128
75-85
51
43
39
34
129-144
86-96
52
44
40
35
145-160
97-106
53
45
41
36
161-176
107-117
54
46
42
37
177-192
118-128
55
47
43
38
193-208
129-138
56
48
44
39
209-224
139-149
57
49
45
40
225-240
150-160
58
50
46
41
241-288
161-192
59
51
47
42
289-336
193-224
60
52
48
43
337-384
225-256
61
53
49
44
385-432
257-288
62
54
50
45
433-480
289-320
63
55
51
46
481-512
321-341
64
56
52
47
513-544
342-362
65
57
53
48
545-576
363-384
66
58
54
49
577-608
385-405
67
59
55
50
609-640
406-426
68
60
56
51
641-768
427-512
69
61
57
52
769-896
513-597
70
62
58
53
897-1024
598-682
71
63
59
54
1025-1152
683-768
72
64
60
55
1153-1280
769-853
73
65
61
56

Converting the Elder Evils

Base Conversion (Direct from the Table)

  • Atropus = Level 18 Solo Brute
  • Father Llymic = Level 15 Solo Brute
  • Hulks of Zoretha = Level 22 Soldiers
  • Aspect of Leviathan = Level 13 Solo Brute
  • Mind Shard of Pandorym = Level 20 Solo Controller
  • Ragnorra = Level 15 Solo Lurker
  • Aspect of Sertrous = Level 18 Solo Artillery
  • Kyuss = Level 16 Solo Soldier
  • Zargon = Level 15 Solo Brute

Okay, at this juncture we are looking at a bunch of Paragon Tier wannabe Elder Evils. But a few things of note. A number of them are Aspects (Leviathan, Sertrous), while a few others are incomplete or lesser versions of their true selves (Atropus, Pandorym) even though its not mentioned within their names. We also have a few more hnts at their true power - we know Kyuss is a Demigod and that Zargon battled with Asmodeus.

Examining the goals of each Elder Evil we can better get a grasp on its inferred power.

Goals of the Elder Evils...

  • Atropus = Destroy all life
  • Father Llymic = Usher in a new ice age
  • Hulks of Zoretha = Destroy all (Non-Zorethan) life, the vanguard of an invasion.
  • Leviathan = Monster of Legend, possible goal to destroy Canaanite Pantheon of Gods.
  • Mind Shard of Pandorym = Re-unite mind with body, kill all the gods.
  • Ragnorra = Remake the world in her image.
  • Sertrous = Swell the power of the Yuan-ti.
  • Kyuss = Usher in the Age of Worms
  • Zargon = Conquer the world, destroy/subjugate the devils.

My own theory on Aspects, Avatars and Exarchs is that an Aspect is 20 levels loewr than the true form, while the Avatar is 10 levels lower. Exarchs are sort of surrogate Avatars. Note that (as seen in the above table), something that is a 20 level lower solo monster would only be a 3 level lower minion, or an 11 level lower standard monster or a 15 level lower elite monster.

As such we can perhaps piece together the following:

  • Avatar of Atropus = Level 33 Solo Brute...the real Atropus is the Moonlet.
  • Father Llymic = Level 30 Solo Brute...puts him in the Demigod range which seems appropriate.
  • Hulks of Zoretha = (5) Level 28 Elite Soldiers...I increased their levels by 10 just to make them a true world threat.
  • (True) Leviathan = Level 33 Solo Brute...almost puts it in the sort of Cosmic Afterbirth category potentially of the Canaanite Pantheon, though I do find Lotan a bit more interesting.
  • Pandorym = Level 40 Solo Controller...difficult to get a handle on this entity, but I think placing the being in the upper Greater God bracket is appropriate. That puts it just shy of the imprisoned Elder Ones.
  • Ragnorra = Level 35 Solo Lurker...evil Avatar of Mother Earth?
  • Sertrous = Level 33 Solo Artillery...Sertrous may be a threat to even Demon Princes if he arises, but his write-up doesn't put him into a sort of Greater Power category, so I reduced him by 5 levels.
  • Kyuss = Level 31 Solo Soldier...I tweaked Kyuss by 5 levels to get him into the Demigod range (27-31 for Solo Monsters).
  • Zargon = Level 35 Solo Brute...wait until you see my Asmodeus* in Gods & Monsters. ;-)

*Who may go by the name Aeshma-Deva.

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